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A Review of Faith (and disbelief), Opinion, and www.IMWAN.com

Thursday, August 6th, 2009

There is an asymmetry afoot that is threatening to annoy the heck out of me. Nice people decline to give opinions and assholes just say what’s on their asshole minds. This is, of course, a generalization but the scenario is a common one for me. I got banned from IMWAN and you can see a bit of my reaction by clicking the tag “IMWAN sucks” to display only those articles. I might have been banned for blogging and retaining the first blog about IMWAN sucking after I got let into IMWAN a month or so later. I might have been banned for baiting the admin who disliked me. I might have been banned for identifying clearly as an Atheist. I certainly wasn’t banned for speaking my opinions in an excessively slanderous or hateful way. Look to the political threads on IMWAN to see speech at least as strong as any of my comments.

But that’s not the main point, it’s just a brick in the wall of it.

I’ve met a few friends of a particular friend who are highly opinionated about their political beliefs. Her friends aren’t alone in this behavior. There were people who did it about conservative issues. There are now people ranting about Democrats and the Liberal agenda. I’m not weighing the relative merits here. I am saying these people have strong, outspoken opinions about politics. I tend to keep my silence because I can accept that their opinion exists. I know I do not share their opinions. It’s very easy for me to tell. My silence is my complaint.

It is also a brick.

I mentioned that I might have been banned for being an atheist. I was banned twice from IMWAN. The first time happened immediately after having posted a new thread surveying belief and how a person reconciled their belief with a respect for people without the same belief. I was banned and the thread was discarded, so I have no evidence except for my girlfriend knows I signed up and knows I was subsequently booted. An insider can look at the member list at different times. In the spirit of my thread, I introduced myself as an atheist and having great respect and value for other people choosing different paths. The thread served two purposes, to ask a question I wanted to ask and to introduce myself. So when I was banned, it was clear that Linda (the username of the admin involved) was banning an atheist.

This is a brick beside the first brick.

When I got into IMWAN for the second time, I left the subject alone. These folks are friends of the comic book community and so am I. I hopped on someone else’s Atheist related thread. I added my two cents for people who didn’t seem to understand what atheists do at an atheist convention. (We party because we are among friends) I jumped on other threads and made some chuckles and bothered some people. I could list a few people I know I politically will never agree with, but I don’t mind that. I’m used to living in a world where I prefer some folks to others.

I mentioned my first banning a number of times, but it was taken as a joke because banning doesn’t normally happen like it happened to me. I’m not mad, it’s a good joke. You happen to be under the protection of a benevolent dictator when you aren’t outspoken like me. At one point a member of IMWAN said they thought my original thread sounded like a great thread and I should do it again. So I did. Only I had to rewrite it from scratch so it was probably a bit different as well.

The brick here is that many of the folks I thought were very reasonable and well adjusted mentioned that they weren’t comfortable answering. Nice people don’t go on about their beliefs. Beliefs are personal. Assholes talk about them out loud. I’m polarizing it. I didn’t get the feeling that they thought I was an asshole. Except Linda. And my opinion of Linda is a mirror of that opinion.

So here’s the wall.

If only the obnoxious people say their mind, then the ordinary people cannot be represented or considered. So I offer some rules of conduct. If I ask your opinion, I shouldn’t then and there dispute it. Rule #1: Discover or Debate, but not both. If I say my opinion, I shouldn’t then expect you to agree. Rule #2: Each person is entitled to their own opinions. And lastly, if I say that my opinion of your opinion are at odds, I can illustrate why information leads me to pick my position over yours, but I may have to agree to disagree on the actual initial opinions. Rule #3: Allow truces.

Next time those fellows go on and on about conservatives, I think I should be entitled to say that I actually think differently. Next time somebody invites me to a church, I think I’m entitled to say kindly that churches don’t suit me because I am a decided atheist. And next time I feel like volunteering that I’m an atheist, I’m entitling the other person to divulge their own beliefs without fear of repercussion or banning. There’s a trick to beliefs of course that beliefs do have an obligation to yield to some measure of courtesy. But that trick has been widely accepted at this point.

I’m an atheist. You are safe. I encourage you to think your own thoughts and come to your own conclusions. Please feel free to comment with some sort of introduction of who you are and what you believe. I think knowing how my peers think is important to my happiness and understanding of my existence.

Thanks for reading.

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http://www.IMWAN.com take 2

Monday, August 3rd, 2009

camoguard wrote:
I’m BAMMING the whole IMWAN community for letting this thread sour.

to which Linda wrote:
Be sure to write about it at your blog.

Great idea. IMWAN, you are hereby BAMMED.

Also, I finally got into IMWAN and there are a bunch of interesting personalities. If you can get past the admin, I would recommend the forum.

EPILOGUE: I was banned from IMWAN again because Linda is an asshole and you have to get approved by Linda to get into IMWAN. So I recommend the IMWAN personalities that you can’t really talk to unless you like assholes. Linda, by the way, is the handle of the admin. So in regards to free expression and IMWAN’s lack of capability, my original post still stands.

The original post

Hey, Linda, did you know when you Google IMWAN my complaints show up on the first page of links? And to everybody else, please finish that round robin for me, I was enjoying that.

There are other IMWAN admin who do not seem in charge of account approval who seem just fine. Let it be known my complaints are with one person in particular who has a lot of control of the IMWAN forum.

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I just got banned from http://www.imwan.com/

Thursday, June 4th, 2009

I wrote up a post about how in my opinion I thought faith suppressed individuality which costs us the ability to raise questions that are important to us such as why is monogamy the only state-sanctioned sexual union? Or to comment our opinion such as even if the Christian god does exist, I don’t like his values.

So I asked people who valued individual thought to comment how they reconciled their faith and individuality. I further requested that this forum not be a debate. Comments should be focused on making each answer clear.

Surprisingly in its quickness since I have a great opinion of a few of the members, I was banned thoroughly. Faith and Imwan suppress freedom of thought even in an adult (no kids allowed) section of the portion of the internet devoted to allowing us to express our views.  There’s no point in having this on an atheist chat site.  I’m pretty sure I know their answers or at least their viewpoints aren’t far enough from mine to allow me to question anything I might need questioning.

IMWAN

Our venue is built on the basic truism that personal taste cannot be “wrong”

Screw IMWAN. I can like comic books and express my opinion without them.  And apparently this is heritage from an old John Byrne run forum since he reportedly banned people he didn’t agree with like that, so fuck you Byrne stick to comics.  That’s just fewer crossroads of culture on the internet, and if we need to, we’ll build more.

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