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The Great Atheist Debate

Thursday, July 29th, 2010

Here’s a rather fun dispute between people who have like-mindedly disavowed belief systems whether or not to be a dick about it. The comments section is more fun than the post that started it off.

So what’s a Seth to do in a world so divided among like minds? I’m already convinced there is nothing supernatural, that religion is at best entertainment and at worst the same kind of crap teams of nasty people are made of.  Should I be nice about it or what?

Me?  I take it on a case by case basis.  The louder and more sensational an announcement the quicker I am to ridicule.  Billboards, bumper stickers, and TV ads piss me off because they promote religion without a conversation, without human to human interaction.   I have been a believer and I have friends of a diversity of types.  Since most of the time religion isn’t the purpose of hanging out, in those cases, their beliefs become benign.  Disputing evolution is idiotic, but if the peer is a computer scientist, then the opinion is irrelevant.

And besides, I’ve got my own favorite fish to fry.  Let’s talk about sex, baby.  Let’s talk about something that is typically fun for everyone that got turned into a morality choice, a vulnerability, a social statement and more.  Some people think chastity is a virtue.  Also, there is homophobia.  Women have to worry about predators (we all do, but this is a common concern). Then there are diseases.   Monogamy is the right relationship pattern especially for those of us who want votes.  And all of this stuff gets in the way of our ability to take situations a case at a time and to mix our safety features with living in the moment.  The best sex happens when we feel like it after all.  And blah blah blah fucking.

So you have people preparing for the return of god.  You have suicide bombers and some of the hottest women around dressed the most discretely (muslim ladies).  I don’t have time to focus on religion and change the world because I’m on a perv mission.  Quit trying to distract me.

K?
Thanks.

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A Review of Faith (and disbelief), Opinion, and www.IMWAN.com

Thursday, August 6th, 2009

There is an asymmetry afoot that is threatening to annoy the heck out of me. Nice people decline to give opinions and assholes just say what’s on their asshole minds. This is, of course, a generalization but the scenario is a common one for me. I got banned from IMWAN and you can see a bit of my reaction by clicking the tag “IMWAN sucks” to display only those articles. I might have been banned for blogging and retaining the first blog about IMWAN sucking after I got let into IMWAN a month or so later. I might have been banned for baiting the admin who disliked me. I might have been banned for identifying clearly as an Atheist. I certainly wasn’t banned for speaking my opinions in an excessively slanderous or hateful way. Look to the political threads on IMWAN to see speech at least as strong as any of my comments.

But that’s not the main point, it’s just a brick in the wall of it.

I’ve met a few friends of a particular friend who are highly opinionated about their political beliefs. Her friends aren’t alone in this behavior. There were people who did it about conservative issues. There are now people ranting about Democrats and the Liberal agenda. I’m not weighing the relative merits here. I am saying these people have strong, outspoken opinions about politics. I tend to keep my silence because I can accept that their opinion exists. I know I do not share their opinions. It’s very easy for me to tell. My silence is my complaint.

It is also a brick.

I mentioned that I might have been banned for being an atheist. I was banned twice from IMWAN. The first time happened immediately after having posted a new thread surveying belief and how a person reconciled their belief with a respect for people without the same belief. I was banned and the thread was discarded, so I have no evidence except for my girlfriend knows I signed up and knows I was subsequently booted. An insider can look at the member list at different times. In the spirit of my thread, I introduced myself as an atheist and having great respect and value for other people choosing different paths. The thread served two purposes, to ask a question I wanted to ask and to introduce myself. So when I was banned, it was clear that Linda (the username of the admin involved) was banning an atheist.

This is a brick beside the first brick.

When I got into IMWAN for the second time, I left the subject alone. These folks are friends of the comic book community and so am I. I hopped on someone else’s Atheist related thread. I added my two cents for people who didn’t seem to understand what atheists do at an atheist convention. (We party because we are among friends) I jumped on other threads and made some chuckles and bothered some people. I could list a few people I know I politically will never agree with, but I don’t mind that. I’m used to living in a world where I prefer some folks to others.

I mentioned my first banning a number of times, but it was taken as a joke because banning doesn’t normally happen like it happened to me. I’m not mad, it’s a good joke. You happen to be under the protection of a benevolent dictator when you aren’t outspoken like me. At one point a member of IMWAN said they thought my original thread sounded like a great thread and I should do it again. So I did. Only I had to rewrite it from scratch so it was probably a bit different as well.

The brick here is that many of the folks I thought were very reasonable and well adjusted mentioned that they weren’t comfortable answering. Nice people don’t go on about their beliefs. Beliefs are personal. Assholes talk about them out loud. I’m polarizing it. I didn’t get the feeling that they thought I was an asshole. Except Linda. And my opinion of Linda is a mirror of that opinion.

So here’s the wall.

If only the obnoxious people say their mind, then the ordinary people cannot be represented or considered. So I offer some rules of conduct. If I ask your opinion, I shouldn’t then and there dispute it. Rule #1: Discover or Debate, but not both. If I say my opinion, I shouldn’t then expect you to agree. Rule #2: Each person is entitled to their own opinions. And lastly, if I say that my opinion of your opinion are at odds, I can illustrate why information leads me to pick my position over yours, but I may have to agree to disagree on the actual initial opinions. Rule #3: Allow truces.

Next time those fellows go on and on about conservatives, I think I should be entitled to say that I actually think differently. Next time somebody invites me to a church, I think I’m entitled to say kindly that churches don’t suit me because I am a decided atheist. And next time I feel like volunteering that I’m an atheist, I’m entitling the other person to divulge their own beliefs without fear of repercussion or banning. There’s a trick to beliefs of course that beliefs do have an obligation to yield to some measure of courtesy. But that trick has been widely accepted at this point.

I’m an atheist. You are safe. I encourage you to think your own thoughts and come to your own conclusions. Please feel free to comment with some sort of introduction of who you are and what you believe. I think knowing how my peers think is important to my happiness and understanding of my existence.

Thanks for reading.

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God Swatter

Friday, June 26th, 2009

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Truth and God: Double the Baggage

Thursday, June 25th, 2009

I carry the operating philosophy that there is no absolute truth. Our best facts are works in progress. Some information gathering techniques work better than others. But life is never going to be so good as to boil down to a simple check list of things you can do to make your life better. Hard working people are disillusioned. Pessimists are overly cynical. Medicine has a well-intended experimental component. Gas powered cars can get us places faster including into fatal collisions. At best we can identify a list of qualities that we are forced to trade between. In all likelihood identifying all of the qualities will be an endless pursuit that does manage to zero toward the right direction.

Do you remember quadrilaterals? I remember various functions that would not only make parabolic shapes, they would have various humps as they graphed toward infinity. Each hump represented at best an absolute maximum but just as likely a local maximum. There were valleys too representing minimums within various ranges. Optimizing functions tend to focus on minimums and maximums and can get stuck in local hills and valleys. So can we. Humanity can be in a place where every shift is worse but the end result of several shifts can be better if we use the graph as a metaphor for improvement. So even a mathematically optimal result may only be optimal within a given range. There are cases where that is true and cases where it is false. I don’t even give my opinions absolute weight.

Asking questions and caring about the answers seems both good and human. Maybe other animals do it, but I think humans do it and it is a helpful thing to do. Asking better questions yields more useful answers, so questions benefit from optimization. Answers on the other hand are like snapshots of a motion picture. Some answers are so close to right for your purposes that there is no need to reanalyze. “Look ma, a seagull!” And some answers to questions such as the healthiest way to live, how to be happy, and how to live longer not only have different answers, they might be somewhat incompatible, you might not be able to enjoy an immortal life. Too much health might result in lower gratification with life in general. The questions are very very interesting and very relevant, but the answers shift because they are just snapshots.

We don’t have to ask too much about reading and math because we invented the constructs. Some of the higher math requires some double checking for correct application. Some pronunciation is counter intuitive to those of us still in the grasp of phonetics. Those are subjects over which we could have complete knowledge. We made the letters and the word sounds and connected them. The universe is something that preexisted us and the rules aren’t all obvious.

Some questions don’t matter. It doesn’t matter what existed before our universe or what will exist afterward. To dispute this, someone needs to explain how human intervention can result in a difference. But worse than questions that don’t matter are answers in a canned format. Humans certainly didn’t start with a complete set of right answers. And no authority in the world is going to convince me just because they say so. I’ve got to buy into their reasoning. And I hope I do that using effective reason processing skills.

And I don’t jump to faith no matter what. If a psychic told me the lottery numbers for tomorrow, I wouldn’t play today. If the psychic predicted the lottery numbers 3 days in a row, I would play on the fourth day. Any mofo can say they are psychic. Just like any mofo can write a book and call it the word of God. I don’t see God’s name in the Author’s section. I don’t see God’s profile in the sleeves of the book cover. And I don’t hear anybody saying Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were infallible. (Hint: some of the stuff about Harry Potter, J.K. Rowlings just made up. Sorry to spoil that for you.)

So I’m particularly rubbed the wrong way philosophically by faith. Beyond it’s irrational affect, I just can’t jump into fairy tales. Sure I have some wrong answers I think are right, but I don’t go institutionalizing those answers. And I’ll discuss my thinking. I don’t care if Hitler was or wasn’t an atheist. I don’t care if the founding fathers were equivalent to modern day Christians. I care what I think and how my variables come together and how my atheism works. I’m not only full of disbelief, I’m also highly individualistic.

My opinions aren’t even beliefs. They are the thoughts that have advanced and matured as I’ve grown. I certainly didn’t begin my life thinking this way. But an assertion such as “God is True” is guaranteed to fall on deaf ears. I just hear Charlie Brown’s teachers. “false” is “false”. So what? Let me lighten my load a little and go on to thinking about something that matters to me for more reasons than being important to my nation’s culture.

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The Voice of Strangers

Thursday, February 19th, 2009

In a world of conformity and dissent, the middle ground is hard to appreciate and it’s constantly moving one way or the other.  People blog their heads off just like people spout out nonsense.  Voices include those of the Howard Sterns, diplomats, advocates, thoughtful people, trolls, and all those people on their off days.  Opening the browser and looking for opinions will lead quickly to a cause, a voice of a stranger proposing that something in this world could be a little better somehow.

Who doesn’t want babies to be raised in wanted homes?  In simple scenarios, the answers are so obvious.  Every little human should have the best odds to be a big human.  Every ethnic, cultural, or flavor of person should be granted as much leverage as possible to achieve the baseline goals everyone should aspire to: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Of course, there is something greater than humans in the universe: Planets for one.  Of course, people should make smart well informed decisions that lead to not only their enlightenment, but the enlightenment of their peers and children as well.  All of that is so simple it’s ridiculous.

Then all of the sudden those goals clash.  People start thinking for themselves.  Sometimes this is great and leads to innovation and epiphanies everyone can benefit from and sometimes there’s a greedy L.Ron Hubbard behind it all leaving the detached observer with a slightly foul taste for freedom of thought.  Some people find ways to be inclusive and uplifting all at once, some people focus on inclusiveness to the point that everyone is left out, and some people decide they were better surrounded by homogeneity where the rules were clearly defined.  Christopher Hutchens defaces disagreeable propaganda and gets beaten up. Am I to agree with Chris’s reason for being there, the beat down because sometimes Hutchens is intolerable, or cop out with the standard that beat downs are bad and demonstrably worse than writing on propaganda?

So people mix rules with ideal.  The constitution gets a bill of rights.  People should have freedoms but those freedoms are limited just as the rules are limited.  The rules are the rules but there are so many instances where a rule breaker is a bona fide hero or at the very least someone who knows who they are better than I know who I am.  There are probably more cases of the rules being broken for selfish and silly reasons.

When the focus is on rules, then the focus seems also to be on conformity.  People have to play by the same rules or else the game falls apart.  If my neighbors are socially destructive serial killers, then their rights are not very important to me.  The people have to be enough like me where I can trust the rules to be upheld.  And the rules are adjustable because after inspection some rules just aren’t very good just as others require more detail to get the job done.  This job is informed by ideals.

When the focus is on ideals, then the focus seems to be on dissension.  In order for you to be yourself, you have to be free to do things I would disapprove of.  Because clearly, I do what makes sense for me and you are doing things differently.  What do I care if you want to own guns?  It’s a waste, but if you play by the rules you won’t shoot anybody.  I can’t assume you will kill before you do, it’s not fair.  I wouldn’t want that ray of pre-guilt to shine in my direction.  Say anything you want including istic language, you’ll pay the price in social currency but you will preserve the essence of the freedoms I enjoy when I disagree with dogmatic practices in other venues such as government, or religion.

That sounds great and simple but then we run into the systematic cumulative effects of rules and ideals.  Ideals inform rules.  Some ideals suggest blindly following rules and others suggest blind dissension.  All the sudden all the ideals and the rules in the world have added up to the created disadvantage of a type of people now relegated to other status.  Then people still left in the in crowd spread notions reinforcing why those other people are other. That person is just sensitive.

Then the position is clearly wild.  What can I say that will never offend someone and at the same time allow the expression of who I am in a temporal and fluid way?  Nothing.  This is because some viewpoints are just wrong and offending the holders is a byproduct of discussing the failings of those viewpoints.  This is because sometimes I am wrong and I need to have my comfort zone removed along when the appropriate clarity is provided.  And this is because I would rather know what my fellow people are thinking than live in the illusion of conformity.

Besides, I like being disagreeable somehow someway.   That reinforces my self-perception as being more than willing to think for myself and to stumble through sensitive subjects until they make sense to me.  I won’t provide quarter I don’t believe in.  I will lie in social circles when I feel fitting in is the bigger purpose or I’ve judged my peers for the moment as being incapable of an intellectual. And I want you to be your gay self, your female self, your self of a different culture.  We’ll find ways to handle the ways that we clash.  Some jokes will be insensitive and funny because we recognize the characterization as absurd while simultaneously extending unwavering support for the individual.  I won’t support your racist language, but I will give you a ride to work if you need one.  And I do expect you to be you until the point you realize you need to change.  I do expect you to vocalize your dissent because I want a world where dissent is possible and encouraged.  I want the best ideas to win even if they aren’t mine.

And I’ll take my belief that all meaning is relative, and all truths are worthy of review and put them against yours any day.  I’ll open my mind as wide as I possibly can.  I’ll exercise all the freewill that I can even though I can’t prove that I have freewill and I can see clear limits that must exist.  It’s not that God doesn’t exist and Islam is wrong, it’s that I can’t see why we jump to conclusions so faithfully because I love to hear the voice of disagreement and discussion.  And I can’t help but see the world through my rosy colored glasses, look at my bloodshot eyes; world, you think way too many things for me to just be agreeing and you come up with too many advances for me to ignore them all.

It’s all fun and games until I’m suicide bombed, and until then get your vocalization on.

Word.

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Evil Incarnate

Tuesday, February 10th, 2009

I’ve seen evil.  I’ve seen the evil of man and then I’ve seen Evil incarnate.

I grew up next to Evil and Evil would play using slightly different expression, ever so slightly cuter and perhaps even attractive.  Without noticing the moral high ground I was toppling we played on the same field, on the same controllers and from the same playbooks.  Evil wore a skirt and I never did.

Evil showed me things I could never have dreamt of in college except I already had an idea because I had seen the face of Evil on the Internet.  Al Gore is Evil’s highway repair man.  All roads lead to the faces of Evil.  Evil is Rome incarnate.  Incarnate is my favorite word and I’ve got this running thing where the last thing I say is the first thing in the next comparison.  The first thing is the pattern incarnate!  Mwa ha ha.

Evil was very sweet and supportive, but this relationship with Evil and I couldn’t last because there was more Evil to be had in the world.  I try to stay away from evil but some days I just get the urge to wrestle with evil.  Why is there evil in this world?  And then I wake up with my evil rodder and I want to wrestle.

I have learned to embrace evil. I grab Evil from behind while she’s cooking and Evil responds, “I am trying to make horrible food to sustain your miserable existence longer and therefore perpetuate your suffering and yet you distract me.”  And Evil giggles and turns red because Evil does that very cutely everytime Evil thinks I want to wrestle.  It’s a good thing she can’t read my mind, she would be red all the time.  It is certainly cute though.

I say, “Evil, you’ve known what you wanted when you began cooking while wearing a mini-skirt.”  I guess that makes me the rooter of all Evil.  For anyone reading who’s under 18, I don’t know what that means either; it was just a joke.  Anyway, I’ve got a disproportionate of Evil in Atlanta right now, I’m waiting for the return of Evil to the middle Virginia region.  Too many saints in the kitchen.  If you can’t stand the heat, don’t look cute all red.  And if you’re evil, shout out.

Word.

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In the Beginning

Saturday, January 24th, 2009

In the beginning there walked in a garden two men. They had been debating for hours if it was better to starve the rich and give to the poor, or starve the poor and bathe the rich in low-monthly-rate-mortgages.
These two men had been made by God to make the world an insane-er place.
And God saw that it was politically correct.
And the men feasted on the green of many tax-payers for the time until elections. But when they saw that they were going to have to choose a candidate for their elections, strife came between them. Thy disagreed on who should starve (the rich or the poor) and they quarreled amongst themselves.
And God saw that they could bring no more peaceful taxes to earth so He turned one man (starve the poor) into an elephant hoping furtively that the man and the elephant would have peace between them.
But he took a tribe of hippies and sent them against the elephant saying: “Kill him and you may feast on his flesh.”
When God saw that the elephant was to be destroyed he grew angry and threw his THE IDIOT’S GUIDE TO TAXES out the window bellowing: “You humans are such a pain in the ass!” and turned the man (starve the rich) into a donkey.
Now when the elephant saw that the donkey was smaller than him, he began to scheme.
And then God was mad at both of them and said: “If ye will refrain from killing your sorry butts, I will give unto you all the lands of America to pollute with Political Shit.”
And the elephant and the donkey saw that it was all for the greater boredom and agreed.
And God saw that his Popovers were done and went to eat.
And so Democrat (the donkey) and Republican (the elephant) went their separate ways in the world to make everyone’s life as hard as possible.
And they saw that it was good.
The End.

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Strange Signatures

Thursday, January 22nd, 2009

My friend gets emails from someone with the following signature.

It is true that there are foolish individuals who have never properly examined the fundamentals of the Divine religions, who have taken as their criterion the behavior of a few religious hypocrites and measured all religious persons by that yardstick, and have on this account concluded that religions are an obstacle to progress, a divisive factor and a cause of malevolence and enmity among peoples. They have not even observed this much, that the principles of the Divine religions can hardly be evaluated by the acts of those who only claim to follow them. For every excellent thing, peerless though it may be, can still be diverted to the wrong ends. A lighted lamp in the hands of an ignorant child or of the blind will not dispel the surrounding darkness nor light up the house — it will set both the bearer and the house on fire. Can we, in such an instance, blame the lamp? No, by the Lord God! To the seeing, a lamp is a guide and will show him his path; but it is a disaster to the blind.

How weird is that?  OK, it’s from the book The Secret of Divine Civilization.  I don’t even care what the book is about because it isn’t fair to assume we understand the context or anyone else she emails.

When I say fuck religion, I’m saying that to people who have decided to tell me I’m stupid or somehow lacking for not having one.  If you can keep your beliefs in your britches where only intimate friends can see, I will keep my disagreement with your beliefs to myself.

If you want to discuss beliefs to understand me better, then by all means let’s.  If you want to find out who’s right, first we need to establish ground rules:

  • Are we going to use reason?
  • Is it okay to think for yourself?
  • Is it okay for people to make bad decisions regarding religion with all the best intentions?

The first two bullets are very important.  The third bullet shows compassion.  There are good people who have different opinions on subjects of great importance.  It may seem obvious to you which opinions are correct and which one’s aren’t, but that would be a disrespectful position to take.  There is no point in pretending to have a respectful conversation if you in fact offer no respect.

Thanks for the psycho signature line in your email my friend’s friend.  That was good motivation for this post.

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